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Old March 8th, 2010, 08:44 PM
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My competitive nature is now including Palm Seeds to the list of life's many adventures. I'll keep this thread to the title topic as I have other species with differing issues. On December 20, 2009, a neighbor allowed me to have about 1,000 seeds still attached to his triple. Most were dark purple with the yellow umbrella connected to a small stem. The ones that were really black with soft/mushy fruit....I just threw away as they seemed a little rotten. I used my thumb nail as a blade and slid it around the equator from the removed umbrella back to the same point and the skin came off easily without any fruit issues like on other species. The seed color was light tan and after skinning the first 1/3, I put them into a bowl with hot tap water for a few days while changing the water 2 times daily. While they were soaking, I skinned the next 1/3 and just kept them in a paper sack so they would not start turning to mold. I thought I might sell these or use them at a later time. The last 1/3 were still attached to their stems and I put them into a plastic market bag that doesn't breathe.....YOU GUESSED IT....MOLD WHEN I LOOKED INSIDE THE BAG IN FEBRUARY 2010.

I took an old plastic ice chest, 40 watt bulb on a drop light used for working under the hood and with the lid propped up about 1", the temperature is stable 24/7 at 85-90 degrees F.





I used the ziplock plastic sandwich bag, damp paper towel method. I must have had about 150 seeds in each of 2 bags. By January 15, 2010, a white probe began poking through the middle of the seed opposite the crevice.



Not finding the next correct step, by 1-22-09 I transplanted these cute little items into 2common containers with "50/50 mix of sand and perlite that will allow the water to drain through and allow the roots to easily be untangled in the near future". Did I mention I was in California where it is reasonably mild in temperature and that I put 1 of these containers outside and the other inside on a vaulted window shelf facing the morning sun.....MY BAD!! Both Dead in 1 day and the little white probe was gone from each seed. So the next 1/3 now a month of staying dry in a paper sack were called into service. These were now a little smaller in size than I remember so....I soaked them in hot water a number of days and changing it twice daily and they swelled up in size. Back into the new baggy and new paper towel and by the middle of February sprouting was happening again on this batch. This time I let the probe get about an inch and a few perpendicular roots to form and shooting up from this was a 1/4" green plant...I think! I am transferring 16 into each 4 inch container, not facing the sun but the opposite side of the house during the daylight and putting them back into the seed incubator during the night at 85-90 degrees. I used a potting soil this time. I used an ice pick to create a hole and buried each to the base of the green sprout. This meant that most of the seed pods were on top or partially covered with only a few completely covered. I am keeping the soil slightly more wet on top and have not seen any water come out the bottom.





I'm able to transplant about 16 every other day right now and am running out of room in the incubator for the 4 inch containers. I NEED HELP FROM YOU EXPERTS. I've lost a few individual seeds as I think my misting wasn't getting enough water deep to the roots through the potting soil. I worry when I see the green start to curl over. I'm letting the green develop more in the baggy/paper towel to be more established prior to transplanting. When can I wean them from the incubator/temperature to the 65-68 that is inside the house 24/7? At what point will I transplant them individually into their own container? They say to not fertilize for 3-4 months and with what?

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Old March 12th, 2010, 03:48 PM
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Good job. Like to see people actually attempt something new. Very Good! Looks like you did a good job, I use the baggy method all the time. I also use a ziplock containers, they work really well. Let me re-read to see if I can help.
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Old March 13th, 2010, 09:28 AM
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As I mentioned, I thought that allowing further growth in the baggy would be a good thing as it would establish more green. What I found yesterday friday March 12, 2010 was that some of the more established palms with taller green and a little longer root with perpendicular smaller roots being created inside the baggy started having the ends of the root turn brown and even drop off up to the wider trunk....so I transferred most with green now numbering 384. I need to find out about root rot and spraying a fungicide. I've now weaned the oldest seedlings from the incubator to the highest spot on a bookshelf from 6pm to 8am when I take them outside for indirect sun during the day. (8) 4" tubs are the newest transplants and still in the incubator and 16 4" tubs are on top of the bookshelf.
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Old March 20th, 2010, 02:09 PM
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Today 3-20-2010, the "Baggy Incubation" process is over for the Pygmy Date Palms as perhaps over 100 never rooted at all and those that had rooted have been transferred into 4" containers. These later ones I was balancing enough growth in the baggy with browning of the root and it falling off prior to transplanting. I have lost some of the previously transplanted pygmy's to probably root rot and replaced them with viable palms...I hope. The Pygmy Colony is final with 33 containers with 16 each or 528 that still have green on top.



This is a close up shot of a container with a HAPPY PYGMY already adding another layer of green.

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Old May 18th, 2010, 06:58 PM
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Today is 5-18-2010 and another update. A large number of the Pygmy Date palms are nearing 2" in height and in need of transplanting. I have lost a significant number of these palms I believe to root rot. Pygmy Date Palms do not like much time in the HOT California springtime sun so I have found them a shaded area for most of the day. Next time, I will not put 16 sprouted palms in a 4" container as the roots have gotten entangled and injured in the transplanting process. 5 maximum palms in a 4" container or directly into their own container. I have used 20 oz. styrofoam cups with 4 holes in the bottom using a small tipped soldering iron. Soil mixture consists of 1/3 top soil, 1/3 Amends Potting Soil and 1/3 sifted sand. I have a total of 275 of these cups with single Pygmy Date Palms and perhaps 20 of them are multiple plants due to the root entanglement issue.



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Old May 27th, 2010, 09:39 PM
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that is some serious stuff your growin... how are they doing...
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